Interestingly according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Name_Movement Russell influenced the Sacred Name movement which "... arose in the early 20th century out of the Church of God (Seventh Day) movement." I had thought that maybe Rutherford got the idea of stressing the name Jehovah from them, but it now looks like they got the idea of stressing some form of the name Yahweh/YHWH as a result of Rutherford stressing the name Jehovah. The article says the following. "The Sacred Name Movement (SNM) refers to the movement within Adventism which, prompted by Joseph Franklin Rutherford, were concerned with the Hebrew name of God, a concern that led the Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society to the adoption of the name Jehovah's Witnesses.[1]"
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So where oh where did Judge Rutherford come up with JW theology?
by Terry inbits of unreported history that may be of casual interest… as to doctrinal origins.
sykes was one-of-a-kind in the pentecostal movement, but he was considered quite a maverick who went his own way with heretical teachings repugnant to the pentecostal faith.. joshua sykes’ congregation was integrated, unlike pastor russell’s public speeches/sermons where blacks and whites both could attend, but only in separate sections--sykes's members were sitting side by side in the pentecostal church.
this was considered dangerous and inflammatory at the time.. pentecostal preacher joshua sykes practiced racial and gender "integration" as early as 1908 -- having both african-american and female assistant preachers, staffers, and members.
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Face-Masks - don't stop infection OR transmission!
by BoogerMan inpores in surgical face-masks = 600 microns.
coronavirus = between 0.125 & 5 microns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qomrgfyfdie&t=227s.
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Even if the numbers are as you say (I don't know if they are and I don't plan to watch the video in the post), what size are the water droplets which contain the Coronavirus? If the masks filter out the water droplets to some extent, then they might also filter out the Coronavirus (contained within the water) to some extent. -
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Got ALetter!
by Biahi inso, my daughter got a letter from a female jw, containing a tract.
i want to respond to this woman, in a kind way.
she included a phone number, and email, return address is the kh.
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punkofnice, on second thought that which I described in my prior post to you might not be illegal of the postal mail. Instead the post office might simply refuse to re-deliver the envelope due to not enough postage.
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Research project: A study designed to explore the experience of leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses
by Researcher2023 inas part of a psychology msc research project, i am looking for participants to take part in a study designed to explore the experience of leaving the jehovah’s witnesses.. former witnesses who were raised in the organisation will be asked a few questions about their reasons for leaving, their experience of leaving, and how their life has changed since leaving.. taking part involves completing an interview over the internet.
according to research needs, the number of questions asked in each interview may vary.
the interview will take between 5 – 90 minutes depending on the questions asked and the level of detail you wish to provide.. your participation will remain confidential and anonymous, and it is completely voluntary so that you may withdraw at any time up to two weeks after the interview.
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Researcher2023, my private messaging privileges on this site were taken away from me some time ago by the moderator of this site. As a result, but what means may I reach you privately? What is the website URL in which people may fill out your survey? I am located in the USA. Does my location prevent me from being included in your survey?
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Got ALetter!
by Biahi inso, my daughter got a letter from a female jw, containing a tract.
i want to respond to this woman, in a kind way.
she included a phone number, and email, return address is the kh.
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RULES & REGULATIONS, that WT article which you included a snap shot of, is one the WT's printed messages which greatly disturbed me when I was a baptized JW. I strongly disliked the WT telling me not to read literature which was critical of the WT, or that any other way disagreed with the WT's teachings. I strongly disliked the WT trying to control my mind by manipulative means and by trying to shut down critical thinking about the WT. Such articles by the WT also made me wonder from time if the Wt had something to hide and it a number of its teachings are false. But it turns out, while I was a JW I never received any apostate literature. Much later I received some such literature, but it was by me seeking it out books of such and buying them or borrowing them from the library, and by searching for articles of such on the internet.
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Got ALetter!
by Biahi inso, my daughter got a letter from a female jw, containing a tract.
i want to respond to this woman, in a kind way.
she included a phone number, and email, return address is the kh.
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punkofnice, apparently the envelope was opened by the receiver, since what was inside it was read. As a result, in the USA at least, it thus would be a federal crime to put the letter back through the postal system using the same envelope as the outside envelope and thus without paying additional postage.
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Hell, what is it
by Anony Mous inso perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.
and the bible provides confirmation for this.
at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.
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Vanderhoven7, does your idea of resurrection of Christians to life in heaven include the idea the human soul of those Christians completely ceased to be, and was later recreated by God as a spirit soul (much like the the WT says happens to the 144,000)? What about your idea of people from pre-Christian becoming resurrected? In your mind do their human souls completely cease to exist and later become recreated/cloned? Or, do their human souls become dormant (such as asleep) and later become revived. Do you believe that Christian go to heaven immediately after their human bodies die (or starting after 70 CE, right after die), or do you believe they go heaven at a future time in a rapture when Christ (according to the Bible) comes to execute judgment at around the time of Armageddon, or do you believe they go heaven at some other time?
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Hell, what is it
by Anony Mous inso perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.
and the bible provides confirmation for this.
at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.
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Anony Mous, I was shocked when I read your comment of "There was no refuse dump that continuously burned, there is no literary, biblical or archeological reference to such place, and a place like that would leave quite a footprint you’d think." I thought there was really was such a dump existing for centuries before 30 CE. I thought such ever since I read the idea in WT literature and thought it was a historical fact. Your comment is very educational and revelation (of naturalistic kind) to me.
Anony Mous and anyone else, does that mean that when Jesus (according to the NT Bible) spoke of Gehenna he meant it is a place of eternal conscious torment instead of the annihilation?Anony Mous, due to your post, I now think the WT used the tradition of a refuse dump that continuously burned in which already dead evil people were tossed into, in order to defend the WT's idea of Gehenna being a place of annihilation instead of eternal conscious torment.
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Hell, what is it
by Anony Mous inso perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.
and the bible provides confirmation for this.
at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.
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Vanderhoven7 I remember you made a post in which you said you wrote and published a book stating your analysis and view about human souls and about hell. I haven't read that book but please answer in this forum the following. Do you believe that human souls (or human minds) die when their bodies die? Or, do you believe that some human souls exist alive to some extent (such as a shade) until after the 1,000 years, which according to Revelation is when the dead are released from Hades, after which some of them they then attain full life (by resurrection) and the rest go into Gehenna?
Are you an independent Christian, or you are a member of a specific church or denomination of Christianity? If the later, which church or denomination are you a member of of? Also, what are your views about evolution; do you believe God used it to make major kinds of living beings? Do you believe the biblical flood account? If so, do you believe it was a global flood or a local flood? If you don't believe the biblical flood account, do you think the writer (or writers) of the account intended it to thought of a global flood or as a local flood?
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Hell, what is it
by Anony Mous inso perhaps we all heard the jw story about jesus talking to gehenna and he was referring to a place outside the city where there was a dump burning refuse and everyone knew what it meant.. according to jw.org: tradition relates that the valley of hinnom thereafter became a place for the disposal of garbage.
and the bible provides confirmation for this.
at jeremiah 31:40, for example, the valley of hinnom is evidently called the “low plain of the carcasses and of the fatty ashes.” there was also the “gate of the ash-heaps,” a gate that seems to have opened out onto the eastern extremity of the valley of hinnom at its juncture with the kidron valley.—nehemiah 3:13, 14.. i think i heard that in the study of the greatest teacher book first.
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Anony Mous and anyone else, well then according to the NT what did Jesus mean when talking about being tossed into Gehenna, or from a literary (or Bible as literature) perspective what did the character Jesus mean about Gehenna in the story about being tossed into Gehenna?
What do you think of what The Oxford Companion to the Bible (Edited by Bruce M. Metzger and Michael D. Coogan) says about it under the heading of "Gehenna". Under that heading it says "Gehenna was originally the Hebrew name of a valley just south of Jerusalem's southwestern hill (Joshua 15.8) called "the valley of Hinnon". It also talks about later meanings, including in Jewish apocalypticism "influenced by parallelism with Persian ideas of a judgment in fire".